The Grand National Championships

June 1, 2007

I have an internet friend that wanted to brag on something.

Filed under: BAYSBALL!, Douchebaggery, You Like-A The Juice — by Andrew @ 2:07 am

He’s dating a girl that dated Brian Roberts. And seeing as some of you know whom Brian Roberts is and my friend is kind of anonymous, this isn’t exactly the greatest brag. However, there was an interesting little tidbit.

It seems as if young Mister Roberts was juicing. And he was not alone either. The other names named in this conversation were one Jay Gibbons, and one Melvin Mora.

And when the news of Jason Grimsley, who was an Oriole in 2005, and his various misdeeds broke on June 6, 2006. These Orioles Three were sufficiently scared for their livelihoods that they kicked themselves off the juice ever since.

Now Gibbons and Roberts were among the names named by Grimsley in the Los Angeles Times, and to be fair Roberts did hit all of his 2006 Home Runs after June. But the Washington Post effectively put a major amount of doubt on the names named.

And in doing statistical research, I’m inclined to believe that there is something to this case. 

Let’s take a look at Melvin Mora first. Stats in AVG/HR/RBI (OPS)

2004: .340/27/104 (.981)
2005: .283/27/88 (.821)
2006: .274/16/83 (.733)
2007: .242/6/25 (.729)

Now for 2006, the year in question, the numbers are a little muddy, some may have been on an off cycle. Some may have quit in the middle. In fairs, and for the benefit of the doubt. We will seperate April and May from the rest of the year, considering the arrest was reported on June 6th, 2006.

Pre-Grimsley: .306/8/28 (.856) .377 OBP/.479 SLG
Post-Grimsley: .257/8/55 (.736) .352 OBP/.384 SLG

For Mora, the case is strong. He lost a lot of power after Grimsley came to fruition, and he seems to have lost some bat speed at this rate.

Let’s move on to Brian Roberts and see the a weaker case before us.

2005: (Power Spike) .314/18/73 (.903)
2006: .286/10/55 (.757)
2007: .310/2/18 (.828)–Mostly walks (OBP of .409)

Here’s were you have to look deeper. Slugging percentage is a good measure of isolated power. Here’s Roberts (with a 2004 Outlier.)

2004: .376
2005: .515
2006: .410
2007: .419
 

Interesting. Very interesting. Let’s split the numbers out and see if the Roberts was just off to a slow start on the juice, considering his dinger totals.

Pre-Grimsley: .325/0/15 (.833) .400 OBP/.433 SLG
Post-Grimsley: .275/10/40 (.712) .335 OBP/.377 SLG

That right there is your M. Night twist. Less power generated with all those taters. And if you want to look deeper into the conjecture, you could conceivably tie in his OBP drop to outside pressures. And the sad thing is, he was valuable with the skill set God gave him.

So Brian Roberts has a definite statistical case against him as well. Now, there’s one name left. Jay Gibbons. Outfielder. And we will write off 2004 due to injury.

2005: .277/26/79 (.833)
2006: .277/13/46 (.799)
2007: .216/3/12 (.597)

Now Gibbons has been injury prone in recent years. And in 2006, he did miss most of June and July. However, like the other two, there is a definite case here.

Pre-Grimsley: .268/10/29 (.903) .313 OBP .580 SLG
Post-Grimsley: .288/3/17 (.831) .377 OBP .454 SLG

Very large drop in slugging percentage, masked only by a sudden visits to the church of bases on balls. Gibbons also had a fishy power drop in the post Grimsley months.

So, what have we learned?

At the very least, the math lends credence to Grimsley’s claim on Gibbons and Roberts. And considering the rapid degeneration of Melvin Mora, going off the juice seems as if it would be a strong probability.

Sure, the source is a piece of gossip. However, the numbers show that there’s a lot more to the story. 

15 Comments »

  1. [...] outstanding look at the statistical breakdown of three juicing Orioles, pre and post Jason Grimsley’s squealing to the cops. A must read. (Cake Rocks the [...]

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  2. [...] outstanding look at the statistical breakdown of three juicing Orioles, pre and post Jason Grimsley’s squealing to the cops. A must read. (Cake Rocks the [...]

    Pingback by Sports Corner » The Roundup: Friday Goodies — June 1, 2007 @ 6:16 am |Reply

  3. I’m an Orioles fan and I could care less if they were juicing. The sad thing is that if they were (and they probably were) is they still sucked.

    Comment by Eric — June 1, 2007 @ 6:21 am |Reply

  4. This isn’t criticism but rather a legitimate question: would the impact of being off steroids be so immediate? From what I know about steroids, they essentially help your body recover more quickly. From a work out perspective, the results of effort put in during the offseason of lifting etc. wouldn’t disappear as soon as someone stopped using. On the other hand, it would effect their workouts and how their body recovers for the remainder of the season. I wouldn’t expect to see such a noticeable drop pre and post June but rather from 2006 to 2007 (in which case it is probably too early to tell. Also keep in mind that Roberts lost the last piece of the 2005 season when his arm was practically torn off . . . that could have an ongoing impact as well.

    Comment by doublenicks — June 1, 2007 @ 7:00 am |Reply

  5. Slugging percentage is a good measure of isolated power.

    Do you know they actually have a stat called isolated power? It is slugging minus average. This takes the normal fluctuation of average out of the equation.

    According to your numbers, Roberts dropped from .108 to .102, not much change at all.

    Comment by cml sox — June 1, 2007 @ 9:14 am |Reply

  6. Great post. Baltimore and Texas seem to be steroid strong points.

    Comment by Uwe — June 1, 2007 @ 9:48 am |Reply

  7. [...] I have an internet friend that wanted to brag on something (Cake Rocks the Party) The blogger Cake Rocks the Party offers up a break-down of Baltimore Orioles, pre and post Jason Grimsley. [...]

    Pingback by The Buried Lead » The Power Lunch, 6.1.07 — June 1, 2007 @ 10:46 am |Reply

  8. 55: Well, my friend did say that there was a sufficent fear amongst the “Grimsley Three” to force their hand about quitting the steroids. Maybe there was a real fear of getting caught as well?

    Comment by Andrew — June 1, 2007 @ 1:48 pm |Reply

  9. cml: I was honestly unaware of Isolated power when I made that statement. But I am of the opinion that while the case against Roberts is the weakest of the three, there is still a case.

    Man…isolated power makes it look really bad for Gibbons too.

    Pre-Grimsley: .312
    Post-Grimsley: .166

    Comment by Andrew — June 1, 2007 @ 1:56 pm |Reply

  10. Uwe: Well, we can’t forget about Oakland in the whole steroids nexus. Canseco led to McGwire, McGwire led to Giambi, and there’s reason to believe Giambi led to Tejada as well.

    Comment by Andrew — June 1, 2007 @ 1:58 pm |Reply

  11. [...] I have an internet friend that wanted to brag on something. He’s dating a girl that dated Brian Roberts. And seeing as some of you know whom Brian Roberts is and my friend […] [...]

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  12. Jilted exes are always great sources of _accurate_ information about their former lovers, aren’t they? I mean seriously, how easy is that to say… you break up with your boyfriend, you’re ticked off, he happens to be a minor celebrity who has been accused of something scandalous… it takes zero effort to get back at him!

    Comment by Anne — July 20, 2007 @ 9:50 pm |Reply

  13. Anne,

    Thank you for your positive comments about my post regarding the Baltimore Orioles and steroids. Unfortunately, I am too busy to reply to your comments directly, and I would like to invite you to comment on one of my many beloved articles.

    Andrew

    Comment by Andrew — July 21, 2007 @ 5:01 am |Reply

  14. [...] I have three other Orioles in the cheat pool.  Not to say that I’m out and out cheering for Jay Gibbons and Brian Roberts to fall, I’m just saying that Baltimore seems to be at the nexus of juice and baseball. [...]

    Pingback by So, the Grimsley affair’s coming back into the news. « The Grand National Championships — July 27, 2007 @ 8:11 am |Reply

  15. [...] Truly, a juicy piece of gossip. [...]

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